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Ask Ms. Vicky - The "Other" Woman
By Ms. Vicky
Apr 19, 2008 - 4:33:19 AM

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Q & A on Relationships

Dear Ms. Vicki,

I met a friend now over a year ago who is married. We met out one night in a club and ended up dancing and conversating and really just hanging out until the person I was seeing at the time showed up. At the time, my new friend expressed to me the reason he, being married was out and about without his wife. Basically (Yeah, Sunshine, “heard it all before”), among other things he claimed that things were not all that bad, but if they were all that good he would be home with her….. We did not initially exchange numbers, under the impression we would eventually run into each other again and hang out similar to what we did on the night we met. It was another 2 months before we saw each other again, but again, I was out with my significant other and he was with his boys so we did not have the opportunity to really even speak – for one, I was not sure if he was the same guy I had met two months ago, and two he didn’t want to cause any misunderstandings with my friend by speaking. The third time (the charm) I saw him again was in the place we initially met, now 6 months later. We saw each other, instantly remembered each other, exchanged numbers and started hanging out. Well what started out as a strictly platonic friendship has turned into something neither one of us was expecting.

We now travel together, he tells me no one has ever affected him like I have; no one has ever been to me who and what he is and I was married for 12 long, drawn out years; he is strong, but gentle; romantic; he cooks, cleans, and is the perfect end to a long day. We’ve experienced things together that apart, neither of us have ever seen nor done before. He is always the perfect gentleman and together our chemistry is off the charts, but at the end of the day he is still married. How do I do what is right when my heart is so far left?

Confused and In the wrong love, at the wrong time….

Dear Confused:

What you have is a huge mess!! Neither one of you had any business even exchanging numbers in the first place. Now that you have created this mess, it is time to clean it up. And now is the time to start.

First, I believe that people come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. Nothing or no one is by happenstance. It is up to us to sit still long enough to determine why that person is in our lives. When we move while on the cusp of our emotional being without clear direction, it makes a sticky situation worse and makes a worse situation seemingly impossible to maneuver. Now, it is going to take more than a notion to get back to the center of this and to see the real reason this person has crossed your path. You need to re-open your eyes. I know that will be difficult at best to do, now that your heart is leading the way.

Unfortunately, no matter what I say today, your heart is going to lead you down a path of its own. You are not Confused - you are going to do exactly what you want to do anyway… I know you have asked your girlfriends this very same question, what you need me to do is substantiate their responses. I am not; what I am going to say is this: when you get enough, you will move one way or the other. It is going to end bad for everyone involved, because everyone is going to lose in the end. What you think you will gain in hoping he leaves his home for you, will be replaced by his resentment the first sign of you turning into “her”. It is inevitable, while we are in the “honeymoon” phase, we are getting to know the other person and we still have our game face on; then, it’s ALL GOOD!!! As soon as the honeymoon is over, things begin to change and the real person finally shows up to dinner.

Unfortunately, society as a whole has changed. Marriage today is completely different from what it was even ten years ago. It is now okay or the “thing to do” to have extra-marital affairs; after all “it’s cheaper to keep her”. Even our own individual upbringing and backgrounds play an important role in what we deem as acceptable and tolerable in relationships. Doesn’t make the actions in this situation justified; it is what it is. In the meantime, emotionally you have created a train wreck and now it’s not just you and him, it is you, him, her and the rest of both families as this thing move toward the point of no return.

Harsh but real – unfortunately that is the end of my journey with you on this. Remember what is done in the dark always comes to light. Just be ready to deal with the consequences of that light. Keep me posted on the results, as I am curious as to how this will turn out.

“Ms. Vicky”

Comments

Understand
21 Apr 2008, 11:54
I totally understand where your coming from "confused" because I'm in a similiar if not the same situation and its going on two years. Only difference mines started off as a no strings attached situation and I didnt know that he was married until 6 mths later and it wasnt voluntarily information but a crazy encounter in which he denied who I was to my face. True I should have left it alone right then and there but I didnt. Now feelings are involved.... my feelings. What I would think is the man of my dreams in reality was a test of my faith which I failed. "Ms. Vicky" is right its not only you and him, its you him his family your family and in the end if not done right, if anyones going to lose it will definitely be you. The guy I see claims he stays in a marriage that he is unhappy with because of his kids a lie just like all the other lies he and every other man gives. Even if he left his family I would feel guilty and I would be blamed even if it wasnt because of me. I have this guilt trip that I will never be in a good relationship so let me be the best side piece I can be but I'm just lying to myself I want more and the truth is its not that he cant give me more he refuses to and if thats the case can I really think this is anything more than what everyone else sees it as. Truly think about what the two of you have done and small reactions that proves he is not into you as he claims. Are you a secret? And think about the consequences if this went any further? This is a decision you can only make on your own. Yeah others are going to give their opinion but at the end of the day the decision is yours. And it will be a hard one. For me I'm just about through, yeah I'm going to hurt but I've been hurting for a long time and I dont want to be the other woman anymore.
The same boat
22 Apr 2008, 08:45
I was too in the same boat,they all seem to be the same people.I fell inlove wih a man that i thought was single and ready for commitment. He had me fooled for months and even after he called himself telling me the truth he still made like they were seperated and it was a likey story because nothing changed so i didnt really get why he was telling me he was still with me and i mean nothing changed we were together all the time and yes ladies even the nights we were in the bed together. I was fooled and fooled really good. But it came to a end when she finally called and told me she got my messeges i left him when he was at work and how i missed him and could not wait until he came home to me.Yes i was really hurt i thought he was truthful about how he felt about me and the funny part he was telling me that she just showed up and she is mad because he has moved on. You guessed it i believed him and just and went on dating him. Until one day for my birthday he did not call all day then when he did he could not talk to me and to top it off he said he had no money,i knew it was a lie and this was when i realized she is still there and he is making sure that the family that he has with her is taken care of. To make a long story short he told me lies after that about how his daughter will miss him too much if he doesnt stay with his wife but he wanted to be friends.Being in love with him i excepted it,until he told me that he is goin to make it work with her and in so many words that he did not speak to hell with me and the new kids in his life. So once again im single and this time will wait for God to send me a really nice single man. I hav eto stay strong and ways from the friends that we have together if want to get over this crazy stuff. I love HIM BUT i LOVE ME TOO
Beth Smith
23 Apr 2008, 13:17
It is not cheaper to keep her. The problem is that many men are too greedy to split the profits down the middle and go on to the new honey. Women keep in mind that it is the sneaking around that is the turn on. You can call the wife all you want to. Yes, she may leave him but you get him just long enough for him to find a new gig, someone else to sneak with. If you are turned on by a man that is married, could it be cause he is settled, calmer, more caring, cleans, etc. Keep in mind that partnership he is in has taught him that. A good man is made by a good women. Don't assume he will be a good man to you. If you want my man you can have him. Just let me know what months you paying the rent and the days you cooking on and we can work something out. Nothing comes for free. Don't be too cheap to invest in a relationship on your own. A good man is hard to find. Bad men are everywhere and yes, some of them are married. Let me leave you with a tip. Your husband is not at the club. He is at the theatre, farmers market, grocery store, etc. I know too many men looking for good women and they don't frequent the club. This tip is free.
Yayoupeep
25 Apr 2008, 07:28
I like and agree with Beth Smith's comment. I have been married for almost three years and I can't wait for the day when I can get out because of my husband's unfaithfulness. What beats me most of the times I think of it is that he cheated with her before we were married they broke up and even ended up in courts and he went back to meet her after we were married. He seems to love her. What you think? I think he should go to her and stay but you and I know he will not stay with her because he is going to do her the same thing and or even worst.
KIRK
27 Apr 2008, 01:14
Here we go Again,
Ladies why do you keep falling for the same old things. Key words that a light should come on here: I am not happy, separated, home alone, just need someone to talk to, you are so pretty, I like talking to you or you understand me. on and on and on, you get with these marry men why? I'll tell you why because you want someone to easy your pain and emotion and stress you are going threw at the time. So Mr sound so good come along, and the funny part after talking to MR sound so good something in the back of your head tell you something is not right ,but what you do give him your number then ask him or let him come over once inthe door of your apartment ,home all doors are open just a matter of time even the door between your legs.A man will play on your emotions for as long as he is interested in the prize right a prize is all it is and will forever be a prize, because after he finish with you he's looking for another prize as he drive home. Why get mad on here you the one let him in , he fix your temp problem of stress need some and may have help you pay a bill or two. HELP YOURSELF AND TAKE THE TIME TO FIND A GOOD SINGLE MA AND IF YOU DON'T WELL GET YOUR FIX NEED SOME AND MOVE ON LIKE HE WILL. THANK YOU ........form a brotha sista
terri
27 Apr 2008, 16:54
Wow, you have to read this article, really...

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Darlene
28 Apr 2008, 11:35
All I have to say is I'm NOT the OTHER WOMAN but the WIFE. Believe me ladies, we are not always holding onto them as they would have you believe. My husband stepped out on me for two years with a "sista from the church" if that don't beat all. Someone whom I would have to look at from time to time during our travels. I gave her the benefit of the doubt in the beginning because I didn't know her nor she, me. But when I FINALLY spoke with her and let her know he was lying to her, she decided to continue to disrespect not just herself, but me and my children. Long story short, he's still with me in his so-called "miserable, don't want to be with her marriage" - yeah right!!! Again - no chains, his choice. I was so caught up with the drama that I have to admit that my emotional state was homicidal. I totally can attest to how some people really get caught up making the wrong decision at a split second. Thank God that I allowed Him to gain control of my life and thoughts because to have allowed myself to be imprisoned for someone who obviously didn't really have love for themselves, much less me and mine, but managed to pull me into the middle of chaos would have been crazy. I had to realize that I needed to love me first so that I would be around to love my children. To hell with him and/or her. And in the end of the ride that I'm assuming she finally got off after realizing his lies (who knows, maybe she is still lirking), she wasted two years of her life, not to mention allowing herself to also disrespect her children by laying in the bed with someone elses husband in front of them playing house. All I can say is don't believe the hype. The "wife" is not always a stalker and unwanted in these situations as they would have you believe. Nor are they only there for their children. When my husband came back and forth in the home, the children was his last thoughts. Getting between my legs were first. Not bragging because it took a lot out of me that I allowed myself to deal with it all. Truth be told, I wish I would have been the one to walk away first and let her keep the misery. There are no winners in this type of drama, believe that. All I really got in the end and had all the time were the benefits. And if/when I move on believe you me there will be an extensive background check. I vowed that I would NEVER do to another woman what she allowed herself to do to my family. I will not allow myself to listen to the b.s. about "we're not together" etc. I will need to see personally THE DIVORCE PAPERS! Problem is, even then it sometimes is not really over.
tamela
28 Apr 2008, 12:31
WOW

Darlene you have it together and Beth Smith I agree with you both and understand your thoughts on the situation. You both seem like mature women. Help a sista out please, because I am a young in this boat called "marriage." My husband has cheated justified it by saying that they are business meetings or lunches, stayed out all night and not returning until the next morning, (keep in mind hes a preacher). And I just had his child 2 months ago. I am trying to just let it go and let God, but it is hard. Any suggestions as how to move on and keep going for the sake of my child and child only with out cussing him out everyday or when I feel the need. Any suggestions for a young woman like me?
Thanks
Yayoupeep
28 Apr 2008, 17:32
Sorry to come back again so soon. However, Darlene I am so happy a child is not part of my marriage because I am leaving this time. He has no respect and neither does your Preacher Husband.

Do you think that you could have taken it if you were on the other side of the fence? Hello no!
KIRK
28 Apr 2008, 18:35
SEEM MORE OF YOU LADIES NEED TO READ WHAT I PUT HERE BEFORE, IT'S THERE!!!! READ!!! :)
Darlene
29 Apr 2008, 07:45
Tamela

Don't for a moment think I have it together. I still find that I feel the wrath of what I "allowed" myself to go thru, and I'm gonna be the first tokeep it real. That old saying "life is what you make it"- true statement!!. Because as long as we "allow" these men to bring the drama to our lives they WILL CONTINUE. If I would have turned him away from the onset my wounds would have been healed a long time ago. He had the bold nerve to actually say to me "well one of you will get tired and walk away" because he "couldn't" bring himself to make a decision. So that's why I'm assuming that she finally said to hell with it and he settled with me. I don't for a minute feel gratified that he chose us (his family) over is hormonial desires. I could be wrong but since he seemed to stay put "at home" as well as branch out, it only makes me feel as though she put out for him the things I refused to do. Good - that's what tramps and whores do (lol). Because as I told her, if she was a woman with any standards and self-respect, she would have demanded him to come correct by her i.e., DIVORCE. Inasmuch as I allowed myself to be a fool to accept the b.s., I was not the fool in the end - I was simply THE WIFE. So you say you're young and my only advice to you, don't let your child be your reason or excuse for putting up with the infidelity. Your child will be happier in two happy homes (yours and his) than one miserable one. Til this day I regret not moving on (for the sake of my kids). My kids love their father but they to are older now and have no respect for him for what he has done to us and put us through. He'll live to regret it when they are actually adults and can officially make their own decisions. Love him from a distance and let him realize what blessing he missed out on for losing what he should have cherished. As for you Yay - I hear you. It is so much easier to walk away with no children involved. We as woman should grow to respect each other enough not to allow these men to bring us down because trust me - what you sow so shall you reap - TRUE STORY!!!
tamela
29 Apr 2008, 07:48
kirk

it is funny that you say that because before I met my husband,i met a guy like that and knew that something was wrong. I could never talk to him after like 8:00pm and he would always want me to meet him at his job or come to my house. so I prayed and God revealed it when his wife called me and left a message. I never had sex with him but the night I almost did was when the phone called came. But my now husband was the perfect gentlemen when we met.
we as women do need to take the time to really get to know someone,seek God and wait for Him to reveal it.
Darlene
29 Apr 2008, 08:33
Now how much better can it get than for a man to talk of what "men" do. The red flag couldn't be brighter than if it was a fire in your eyes. Why don't women question why they can't ever come to their "man's" house. Why can they only seem to have a cell phone number to call. Fire burning. At one point when me and my husband were separated after I had one of my "I had enough" moments and put him out, I stayed over his apartment (we obviously were still very married) and I called his wanna play house mistress from his phone because she had stopped answering my calls coming from my phone. So now of course she answered 4:00 in the damn morning when she saw his name. I was like "hello, do you see where I'm calling from? - Do you see the time? This obviously is not a "drop the kids off" visit. Stupid is as stupid does, the B still hung on with hopes of his lies to be a reality. False hope is a mother_ _ _ _ _ _ isn't it. I will end every comment with the same notation - ASK FOR THE DIVORCE PAPERS LADIES!!!!
Lisa
29 Apr 2008, 10:16
I was once married to a man who could not keep it in his pants. During our 14 year marriage he made two children with two different women. He eventually left me for one of these women and later found out the grass is not always greener on the other side. Well, he tried to come back but, by then I was done. These women who choose to get involved with married men need to think about the pain you are causing that other woman. She has done nothing to you to deserve that pain. Also ask your self, if he cheats on his wife with you..will he cheat on you with somebody else? Answer to that is yes.
darlene
29 Apr 2008, 13:24
Thank you Lisa. As long as you know. It will be 20 years on May 4 for me and at this point I am not seeking anyone else to be in my space. As for my husband who claims he's still around for the kids, but yet argues with me because he always has to come on to me for sex, he may not want to admit it but he's actually hurting now. I've learned how to kill him with kindness. He's now living on edge wondering what my next move might be.
Kaney
30 Apr 2008, 12:38
Ladies stay strong for yourself and your kids. I feel everything that you all said. I've been in my relationship for 8 years and for the first 5 years I've had to endure my boyfriend cheating on me with this girl from his past until he got her pregnant 3 years ago. When I left he begged and cried and pleaded with me so what do I do I believed him gave him another chance yet again. Since then we've had another child together, still no marriage in sight - but I'm hanging on hoping! I've noticed in the last 2/12 years since then that's he's changing. He's more settled and homey. More reliant and believable. I'm not saying that I stopped looking over my shoulders! NO NEVER - HE'S STILL A MAN! What I want to say Ladies, that sometimes and very rarely some do change. GOD's blessing to you all and to myself as well.
Yayoupeep
30 Apr 2008, 16:02
Thank you ladies. I am really enjoying this. While I am disappointed about what has and is happening to many of us I am very happy that we can let it out.

Mine told me last night that I can take a man. I told him I don't need his permission to do that because he did not need mine to "give" a woman. God will deal with this man, also the Preacher Husband and the others.

Be blessed ladies.
Amber
30 Apr 2008, 18:55
I am the wife. I am sure that my husband lied and is still lying to his mistress. Telling her that he was unhappy, we argue too much, etc. No! he just didn't realize that marriage was hard and you have to work thru the hard times. Just like he's unfaithful to me, he will be unfaithful to her. What goes around, comes back. He should have NEVER pursued her and SHE should have never allowed herself get involved with a married man. I know for a FACT that she knew he was married when she met him, because she met me before all this started. I know that she has also messed with a married man before mine. I have spoken to this women a couple of times and she has lied to me. They are protecting each other. Women watch out for that because a mistress will protect her "new man"-your husband-in a minute. She will lie for him. What she doesn't know (like many of you have mentioned) is that he is still digging me, of course. He still wants sex from me and we are still sexually active. I know, not good, but it's hard to let go of years of active sex with your husband. He still says he loves me and says he doesn't love her. I know I am being lied to, but I want mistresses to realize that they are being lied to as well. They think that these men are all theirs, is not still dealing with the wife, and is not still in love with the wife, but (bomb shell) that is not true. Chances are the man is not all theirs and he is still messing with the wife or another women. And a lot of these men are still in love with the wife. He just uses the nice, calm, giving personality to get what he wants from you (mistress)-sex, head, etc. After the honeymoon is over (like a woman stated b/4), he will leave you alone and want his wife back. The woman that has been there when he didn't have anything. The woman that gave birth to his children. The woman that kept his head up. The woman that took care of him when he was sick. The woman that helped make him into the nice, calm, giving man that you (mistress) are enjoying. People like this will pay for their sins. One day these mistresses will realize what they have done. It will be too late, but it will happen. It will come back on them or their daughters, if they have one or another loved one. God has a way of making people learn from their mistakes. Some women think that they are so pretty and they can get any man they want..married men...but if you use your beauty for this...God could take your beauty away one day by letting you gain weight that you can't lose or getting a skin condition, etc. And for the men who are using their sexual parts (penis, etc) to do wrong, GOD could take that away by making you impotent one day. I've seen both happen w/people I know. I will continue to pray for myself, my children, my husband, his mistress and all of you who posted comments.
Flaws n All
30 Apr 2008, 22:29
I agree so much with Darlene and Beth Smith. Darlene as I read your words so much of my pain rekindled. Ladies we have to start valuing our self worth! Too many woman have stories similiar to the ones shared on this page and although each situation is different, whether the female knew that the man was married before or after feelings evolved. It is important that we stand up and not allow ourselves to participate in acts such as these. I am not saying this as an hurt wife but as woman to woman. Before my marriage and to this day I wouldn't have even thought of dealing with someone elses man. There are always signs to identify infedilty we just have to stop lying to ourself and act on what we know to be the truth. As Tamela said "God will reveal the answers to you" as to whether that person is the one he has ordained for you. Yes God will heal hurt wounds but before it even reaches that point (and it will when multiple parties are involved) "SEEK HIM" he has ALL the answers, we just have to leave our questions and concerns with him long enough to fix them!!
Amber
01 May 2008, 13:04
Darlene you hit it on the nail in your prev comment. These mistresses don't believe that the men are stilling sleeping with the wives. My husband also moved out because I told him to leave. But like I said before, we still have sex. I have also visited him at his apartment. Yeah, he can easily say, "oh she just came by to drop off the kids", but the mistress has no idea that after they go to sleep and I come back over, we are in another room doing what married couples do. I am not saying that to say I want to play the game and see how many more times I can *(%^ my husband...I say that to say, ladies (mistresses) stop thinking that these men are not sleeping with their wives. Even if they are not living together. He most likely still wants his wife and is confused about letting her go and moving on. When they have a mistress that is soooo easy and will do "anything", yeah they will mess around with you, but they know their jewel is at home. Also, you mistresses will let this happen because you are looking for love. You will settle for someone elses boyfriend or husband. You are worth more than that. Love yourself first and you will find a man that will be single and love you for you, not love his wife, children, in-laws, AND you. Mistresses should not be a part of that equation. God did not intend for it to be that way. In the end, we mature ones know that these husbands realize one day what pain they've caused, what they have done, and that the "other woman" was definetly not worth it...when in the beginning he thought she was.
darlene
01 May 2008, 14:34
Amber and Flaws it is truly a sad situation to even have to attest to these conditions. I felt like you Flaw, I got on this site by accident because initially I was sent an email about the guy who talked about passing HIV to the minors. Somehow I managed to explore the other links and lo and behold a topic of "my life". So I know the feeling about having the pain rekindled. And the nerve of your husband Yayou to feel to tell you to "take a man" to justify his instabilities. You should have taken him right in his face and let him watch. Believe you me that's something that mine would never say. Because in spite of what he has done he does the typical thing and try to reverse it on me like I'm doing something. That's one of the giveaways that they're too dumb to realize. The bottom line is some females just don't give a damn. I've listened to enough of Michael Baisden's topics on this when they blatantly get on the radio and be proud to be in what they feel is a good spotlight. All it really does is prove that they are worthless and allow the men to treat them that way. Not enough going out to dinner, "token gifts" or anything of the sort should allow you to place yourself as second. Again, the truth be told even if he is making you feel and believe you are first, as long as their married, you'll never be first. You need to recognize. I actually found some pics that I was going to post up in the church with a very kert comment of "women beware of the homewrecker" lol. Can you imagine of all places to be fighting in the church. Now tell me mz. mistress, who would look bad, me fighting over my husband (which let me just put in perspective, never that - over the disrespect because done right, she could have had him), or you fighting over someone else's husband - DUH!!! I remember first FINALLY talking to her (I took up the wrong career - I should have been a detective cause trust - I find out EVERYTHING I want to know - eventually. Anyway the conversation went as such: [Me] "Are you dealing w/___?" - [She] "Who are you?" [M] I'm Mrs. ____ [S] Well he said you weren't together [M] We are very much together (at that time it was 15 years), we've been married for 15 yrs, we have two sons, we still live in the same apartment, we still sleep in the same bed, we still Fk (sorry for the religious ears but I'm keeping it real as it was said), how much more "together" can you be than that [S] well he said you weren't (she tried to stay with that scripture I'm sure because the reality now came to life in her marvelous world of "I gotta man"). I simply explained to her that in almost every marriage there are ups and downs just as we have been having but I am not ghost YET! and may I repeat - we're moving on into 20 years in 3 days - now he's good (and just in case you my lady may have come across this site like I did and be reading this - was he worth the 2 years of loss of your life to MAYBE have found a man to really have to yourself). At one point he even tried to say that she was a better woman than me (why, because she swallowed and I didn't, or maybe because she allowed you to sleep w/her and another woman and I, your wife, would not accept that); please explain, single woman with two bastard children - NEVER BEEN MARRIED TO EITHER FATHER, one which I learned even took her for a DNA because he didn't trust her, and now exploiting herself bedding down a married man in front of her children no less - ??????? I went on to tell her that as much as it would hurt me if he chose her over me that I would have to accept that, but the bottom line was that was the only way that they would have an "open" relationship as long as I was "MRS. ____ and if anything if he's so much in love with you make him come correct. How can you truly be happy in a relationship that you have to hide, precise reason why I could never be "the other woman". I like walking proud w/mine - what's my closing statement ladies and gents - GET A DIVORCE!!!! hahahahaha - sorry couldn't resist - until the next read, stay at peace!
I confess
02 May 2008, 11:50
ok ladies and gents!,

I was that other woman and when I finally started thinking about the wife thats what made me hit myself upside the head. At first it was all about me, then I thought what if that was me how would I feel. This poor woman has no clue due to the situation what the hell is going on and her husband is here with me. I said I will never be with this man cause if he did it to her he would do this to me. So why am I doing this to myself? Oh ladies it hurt bad as hell to be with this man for an extended period of time and then finally have the strength to tell him it was over. I admit it I feel in love with him but ladies I loved myself too much to keep it up. We all make mistakes and I feel it is no excuse if you did not know in the beginning cause i sure enough did not know but when you find out its up to you to end it or continue.
Bri
02 May 2008, 16:03
I am the wife, and we have been married for a couple of months, to a man I dated for 4 yrs. I feel he cheatin and I go through his phone and find numbers, he lied, but the thing that hurts me the most is he say he happy adn wants to be with me forever. But I'm working by myself and I'm ready to leave. I was pregnant with my now 2 month old daughter and he clubbed every weekend, meeting his girls. But there are too many diseases out there and it aint worth it. If u think he cheatin, evidence prove it, than most likely he cheatin. Of course he wanna sleep with me but y risk it!!
Tamela
03 May 2008, 17:14
Ms. Darlene,

I have pictures too, and I started to do the samething!!! LOL! But I thought about it as well and decieded against it and thought that I would let God handle it. But I have been praying and God is dealing with me. I am getting to the point where I don't care. What is done is the dark will come to the light. My husband use to accuse me of doing this that and everything else. Come to find out he's the one doing dirt. I heard a long time ago that the one doing the accusing is the one doing the dirt. This usually proves to be true and I found out it was (i.e. pictures)he had even sent the girl flowers, found the confirmation too!!! I was running around pregnant and all following my husband around and everything. I am in the wrong field too!! I should be a private eye as well. But now divorce has been placed on the menu and we have a beautiful 3 month old and he is running around here doing what he wants. Maybe he hadn't thought about it, but I told him that I know he doesn't want someone to treat her like he treats me. So now he is thinking about his actions and hopefully that will make him change some of his ways.
Yayoupeep
03 May 2008, 19:18
Tamela, I pray God he changes.

We finished building in Oct 2007 and we are never home together to really enjoy ourselves - he always has to go. He is probably the head doctor for the hospital "always on call". But God be the judge for them all, ladies. Let's just be strong.
darlene
05 May 2008, 12:34
Happy Monday Ladies,

Well the weekend has passed as well as my 20th anniversary (18 legal) with my husband. Guess how I spent it. Alone at the Divas with Heart concert (Patti, Diana, Chaka and Gladys) and it was off the chain. I'm not gonna lie. I sat there periodically in a somewhat depressed mode because I was there alone, but then I had to remind myself that being alone does not necessarily make you be lonely. I will not continue to allow him or anyone else to make me feel like I'm not worthy of enjoying MY life. And if it has to be singular, then maybe that's God's way and plan. I will no longer question but WILL allow GOD to be in control. Needless to say that some of the songs were great reminders that I just wanted to go home and turn the stereo on i.e., Gladys - Neither one of us wants to be the first to say goodbye (but we're living a lie). Then she did a rendition of I'm not you'r super woman (I'm not the kind of girl that you can lay down and think that everything is ok) what!!! Chaka did her I'm every woman and you know Patti just laid herself out on the floor - it was awesome and none of it was about a man!!! We as woman can make it! But we have to first love ourselves and then have enough love for women overall to not disrespect each other. I came home and got in the bed content. When he came in he presented me with flowers and a kiss (happy anniversary). I told him to keep them - lol. It completely threw him off because I guess I was supposed to be elated - NOT!!! I gave myself the greatest gift that day - a moment of peace and a shot of happiness! Good luck to us for whatever comes of this. We just bought a new house and he's happy getting it set up and I'm taking baby-steps to finally move in. We've only had it since November but I'm literally staying put until I have no choice but to move. Only God can save this joke of a marriage.
Tamela
05 May 2008, 14:33
Good Day Ladies!!!

Good for you Ms. Darlene. Sounds like you had a wonderful time. I am happy for you. I don't know if you fuys have listened to Marvin Sapp "Never would have made it" This is my new theme song. I have to think of what God has brought me through and I know that God will deliver us from what we are going through now ladies. And what we are missing in our marriages God can and will provide. We don't need to look to things or people for what is lacking in our lives if we look to GOD!!!

Ladies, have a wonderful week in GODs' PEACE!!

Maybe we should somehow exchange emails and continue to lift each other up when need be. I don't know. Ya'll can let me know what you think!

PEACE!!!

Darlene
06 May 2008, 13:17
Thank you Tamela. You are absolutely right and I love that song! It was funny because I don't for one minute claim to be the holiest but do know that I have ALL my faith and belief in God Almighty. Not knocking anyone else's religious beliefs but I do fear the Lord and continually ask for His guidance when I'm low-spirited. So when I went to the concert on Sunday I felt a little guilty because my auxilliary in church was having a program and my girlfriend text me asking where was I and I told her on my way to the Diva's concert. So in my mind I convinced myself that even though it wasn't a "gospel" concert, they were still spiritual women giving a message through song. Truth be told, all you have to do sometimes is listen to the message, the lyrics says so much. I know we sometimes get caught up with the music but seriously listen to the words. But I will say that you and I were on the same thought path i.e., emailing etc. I was wondering where everyone who has shared a thought were residing, I myself in NY.
Trust God
07 May 2008, 07:41
I am the wife whose husband has left his family for whores. He feels like he has to have sex all the time so he would rather be unhappy with his life and have all the sex in the world than be happy at home and have sex sometimes. I'm sorry I couldn't have sex 24-7 because I was working two jobs, working on getting two degrees, and raising a child and pregnant. I was mad and crzy at first because he left us when my son was just born. He chose hoes over me and our children. Now I am living my life according to God's will and now everytime he comes around he is so sad while I am happy. All I can say is what goes around comes around because most of these girls knows he is married but just because he say he isn't happy they buy into it. Have more self respect for yourself because believe me when you meet that person that you marry the same thing will happen to you if you are messing around with a married person. That is why I can sit around with my head held high because if we get a divorce I know God is going to bless me and if we don't and he does eventually come home he is going to be so sorry that he will have so much to make up for. Women find out who u r dating before you give it up.
The other women
08 May 2008, 07:58
I am the other women. I have been for four years. Honestly, we both started out just friends and in grew into a romance without us even thinking about it. At the time I was in a relationship and he was married and still is. We talked about everything and have fun together. I am not asking for him to leave his wife and I don't mind if I am the "other women". I have talked to the wife and she knows who I am also. So my question is....I know I am not the only one who is okay with dating a married. Some women just want to have fun too! If it happend to be with a married man ..sorry. Reality is in this day and age all men cheat. Doesn't matter where you meet them. You either accept his actions, nag them to death about their actions, or simply move on.
Yayoupeep
08 May 2008, 09:35
Darlene, Congrats. I will be celebrating 3 yrs on May 20 and I pray that at least I can do something as fun as you did - it will please my heart. Tamela, I agree that we can communicate by email to lift each other up. I am from St. Vincent. Be blessed everyone of you.

To the other woman I will continue to pray for you, seriously. I just took a call and it was him stressing me out again.
Darlene
08 May 2008, 10:53
To the other woman,

You speak as though you're proud of your actions. But whether or not you're willing to admit it, you are probably a lonely miserable woman inside. For you to settle with someone who is attached, legally moreso to someone else is having no self-esteem. As far as the wife speaking with you about it, unfortunately sometimes (as I did myself) we (wives) don't back out. Or could it be that she's allowed herself to become part of your tryst. You sound just like a girlfriend of mine whom I lost respect for. She stood by my side and hurt for me seeing what my husband was putting me threw. Called him everything but the child of God and tried her best to convince me that he didn't deserve me (TRUE). But what does she do - she ends up sleeping with a married man. And to some extent sounded like you but maybe with a little different twist; she had the nerve to be upset with the wife, called her stupid and everything for not leaving her husband after knowing about her and speaking with her. What nerve. Long story short. He beat her azz. Hard. In front of her daughter. And guess what. Nothing happened to him and she ended up being locked up for assault (self-defense). Why - because he happened to be a cop. And it just goes back to say that in the end you're hanging onto and hurting a lot more than you can imagine, especially if children are involved. You really need to check yourself and throw away the patch of pride because you have nothing to stand proud of. And to say that you're sure you're not the only woman doing it - so the hell what if you're not - do you eat, shyt and sleep based on whether or not others do. Keep living. Karma is a MFer - believe that! I hope you have enough sense to use something. Read between those lines coming from "THE WIFE". The joy of a moment of sexual gratification is not always a happy ending (physically)!! So explain that to the next one if you dare.
Nish
08 May 2008, 14:21
I don't know where to begin, cause I'm going through the same things as these wives are and like Darlene this web site was sent to me to read about the fool that is spreading HIV.
I must say that I felt like I was all alone in this, so to read that there are others out there that is going through the same thing make me feel like i'm not alone.
So many women say what they will do if they find out that their husband is cheating and like myself I thought if I find out that my husband is cheating on me I'm going to leave him, well he has and as of March we have been together for 19 years and we are still together and I can't really say if I'm going to leave him or not, I have some feelings that I am working through right now.
Darlene
08 May 2008, 14:25
To the other woman - I'm sorry everyone else who is reading this and may feel like I'm putting too much in it - but you never did finish your sentence. You said "So my question is. . ." what? And I will be the first to admit that psychologically maybe I need to stop reading these responses, especially when they come from "the other women" because I am really feeling burnt inside all over again. But one word of advice to you and the many "others", you'd better watch your bold actions. Fortunately on here you can hide behind words and a "fake name". But your laying down with another woman's husband may not be your last lay - you may end up finding the "right one" and may end up laying in your grave. Everyone is not emotionally stable for this crap - I will be the first to say that I know I became homicidal (thoughts - let's keep that clear) and fortunately for me I let God take control of my mind, body and soul to calm my fears and renew my strength to guide me in the right direction. But read the news sista - everyone is not made of steel and some even fall into such a state of depression that they feel there's nothing to live for. You may get the surprise of your life and it don't have to be the "friendly and understanding" wife. Sometimes there are others in the family or strong enough friendship that will act in defense of a person if they feel that individual cannot handle a situation on their own. Obviously this is not a threat because I don't know you personally from Adam but just keep in mind - It's not a game!
KS
08 May 2008, 19:47
I have a similar story the only difference is I didn't sleep with him. It started off as a friendship and then it became more. What I mean is we did everything that a couple would do. We traveled, talked daily and saw each other daily. At first I didn't think anything of it until I notice he was the only man in my life. I nevered dealt with a married man and I wanted to keep it that way. I had to get a hold of myself and realize that karma is a beast and morally I was wrong. I thank God that I had the strength not to sleep with him because once that happens that changes the relationship forever. I recently ended the friendship and I feel a heavy burden lifted off of me. It is taking me sometime to get over talking daily, seeing him and traveling. I deserve my own man not her/another women's man.
1st Wife
09 May 2008, 09:32
I feel for the wife and the "other woman". I am a wife, so I know what it feels like to know your husband is messing around on you and to feel helpless. I also feel for the other woman because I think they must have very low self-esteem to want to be with someone else's man and to allow him to treat you this way. Don't get me wrong, I've put up with a lot from my husband over the years, but openly allowing some man to go home to his wife and kids every night is a different story. I must say, I've never been the other woman, but that's a choice I made for myself. I think woman who say "it just happened" is full of "sh**". Once you starting having friendship's with men you are opening yourself up to a possible affair. Yes having that attention I'm sure is gratifying, but we are emotional creatures so not becoming attached is almost impossible for a woman. My marriage isn't the best, so I know I'm vulnerable, which makes me avoid male friendships even more. Of course the grass is greener on the other side, especially when you are always fighting with your husband. I say wake-up ladies, we need to quit allowing these men to walk all over us. It's hard enough as a wife to do it, but these "other woman" are not making the situation any better for anyone,especially themselves.
Tamela
09 May 2008, 10:40
1st wife,

You are absolutely correct. These women are lonely and I can tell you that because I know that. I not just saying it. And yes you reap what you sow, but to flat out and just do it because that is what you want to do because you don’t care that he goes home to someone else and accepting what you can get is just crazy. In about 99.999999% of all cases, the man does stay with the wife. As I said before, its cheaper to keep her.

Ms. Darlene,

You shouldn’t feel guilty about not going to your church function. You enjoyed yourself at the concert. Your relationship is with God and not man, understand that. So you shouldn’t feel guilty about not attending, nor should you let anyone make you feel that way. All you ladies have helped me in more ways than you know. Even the "other woman," because I know whether my husband is lying or telling the truth, that she does know. And ladies the 80-20 Rule is real. Believe it! I had a friend tell me just yesterday. The good women have the bad husbands and the good husbands have the bad women! Think about it. Have a wonderful and blessed weekend ladies.
Woman at the well
09 May 2008, 19:33
I met a man who changed my life and he loved me more than any man had ever loved me before. I was going through divorce and my ex was doing everything in his power to destroy me despite the fact that I was raising our children. I left him because after 20 years of me dealing with him smoking crack cocaine the 1st half of our marriage and physically and mentally abusing me the entire time, he decided to cheat. It broke the camels back and I left him. This man was an aquaitenance and I know I got involved with a married man to get over my husband. What was meant to be a rebound turned into an addiction. He taught me how to be a woman sexually and I responded by loving him unconditionally. Something I could never feel for my ex-husband. This man was married. I knew it but I didn't care. Eventually I let God back into my life and his wife became more real to me. However I could not get untangled - I loved him because we went too far with intimacy. I did things I know his wife never did. I became his other wife. I did it because I wanted to feel like a real wife. He was always there he called me wife and he played the roll. But I kept praying because I knew better what God really wanted for me. Eventually I began to fall apart because I was torn between God's will for my life and my love for this man. So I began to pray that God would make me strong enough to walk away with out myself falling apart. Slowly God began to meet my financial and spiritual needs as I continued to fast and pray and I started going back to church regardless to my relationship with this man. I never denied that I loved him to myself or God. I just asked for God's will in my life and that he would protect my heart. You see months earlier I almost took my life because he wouldn't leave his wife. One day he just left me. I called at first and begged. He never answered the phone or my calls. Then one day I started looking at this man for what he was - a liar. I made a vow to God and never looked back. That was almost a year ago. I don't have anyone in my life right now. That is okay. Most men tell me they only want sex anyway. Nasty. I love myself, I love my life, and I love God for setting me free. I always think of him and sometimes I dream of him. God has kept him away from me. If I ever see him I don't know what I'd do - I still love him. One thing for certain God is on my side and I pray he will always work it out. He will. Wives don't hate the other women. When I forgave my husband I constantly had to say God love's him too. I prayed for his happiness so he would be a better person to the people who loved him and now he takes care of business and we are friends. Pray for the other women and love her. That's what she wants and really needs. In this she will feel God's love one day and leave your husband's love alone. Sorry this is long. I hope it helps the one who took the time to read it.
May God be with each and every one of you.
Yayoupeep
11 May 2008, 13:51
Woman at the Well,

You went through this so you can help us understand what "the other woman" feels. With all respect to you I don't care how she feels. Maybe in a country as yours it may be difficult to find out whether a man is married in a blink of an eye but in my country you don't have to blink and the information is right there. These women (most of them) are just there to be with men who are married, they claim the treatment is better. They want to live free without committing to a home with the same men and the list goes on. I am sick of them because they are hurting me and the others here and many others like my aunt who ended up in a mental home. I have to move on to forgive, my sister-in-law told me recently that she has to do the same. You have moved on FORGIVE YOURSELF and be glad you made it out.
Darlene
12 May 2008, 12:32
I'm with you on that Yayou. To hell with the other woman. The ONLY benefit that I will give them is IF they claim that they didn't know the man was married, because unfortunately sometimes you do get involved from the beginning with a lie. But like in my case, the other woman knew straight out that my husband was a married man. I don't care how much she wanted to believe that we weren't together, he was married. And as long as it's still legal on paper, it's legal off. If the man really wanted out, I'm sure in almost 98% of the time the woman is NOT holding onto them or making it hard for them to leave. Sure, none of us really wants the marriage to end in the way of feeling we were walked out on for someone else. But I dare not believe that the most of us woman are not strong in our own right to say, bye bye even with tears in our eyes. My whole thing was as I admitted, it would hurt but I'll get over it. Do it right. The truth is like what 1st wife said. That instant gratification and need to feel loved is not blindsighted. You women know what is bound to happen when you allow yourself to entertain with another male. Especially if there is (which is almost always the case) any slim sign of flirtation. The thing is it just makes you feel worthy compared to whatever situation you have been allowing yourself to deal with. And sad to say so many females live with that attitude that anything is better than nothing at all. B.S.!!!! I can do bad all by myself. So just for the sake of saying I have someone laying next to me even if they're treating me like pure shyt rather than be by myself is acceptable, I beg to differ. It's not about feeling sorry for the other woman but it should moreso be about feeling sorry for all women who can't seem to let themselves shine for themselves rather than being victorious in feeling you have someone's arm to hold onto even if that arm is shared by another.
Women at the well
13 May 2008, 07:05
When I met Jesus at the "well", I wasn't looking for Him, but he was looking for me. He knew exactly who I was and He loved me anyway. You never hear anything else about my 5 husbands and he never once mentions any of you other than the fact that you were waiting to throw your stones and kill me. Yet, everyday more and more women are brought to the well and saved, loved and forgiven. When I bent down and poured my oil on his feet your husbands wanted to kill me and throw stones, but Christ protected me. He loved me even more. My tears washed his feet and my pain touches many of women everwhere. Christ put my story in the bible and Christ put your story in the book. He talked about how you were so jealous of the other women you forgot who you were and that you have a purpose to build a nation and not tear it down. If you want the other women to go away then take the focus off of her and put it on yourself. You don't have to have another woman in your life. You husband wants her there so your problem is him not her. Love yourself enough and love your children enough to walk away from a situation you obviously have no control over. Tell yourself like you are telling us that you are worth more and there is nothing wrong with waking up alone. Everyday he tells you that he either can't commit or simply you aren't good enough. When you get tired of fighting ghost and ready to deal with the woman who isn't good enough to have a man that won't lie you will stop hating and claiming to love Christ. Jesus loved us despite our sins and he commands us to love one another. It is the GREATEST commandment. I love you with the stones in your hands and I will keep praying for all "people" (it happens to men too) who have a broken heart. I love you my sisters and I am sorry for what your husband and his lovers did to you. However don't think that Jesus doesn't see you crying out to him with your foot on my neck. Somehow I am sure it doesn't work like that.
Darlene
13 May 2008, 09:25
Woman at the well. Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds as though you at one time or another was/is that "other woman". Don't for a minute get it twisted. I have God wholeheartedly in my life, but I'm not perfect. If I were so totally made of this "stone" there would be no need for Christ in my life or for me to continue to seek Him. So please don't come with all the soulful scriptures about what or whom we should believe in etc. We are of the flesh naturally with natural feelings. The Bible also talks of fornication and adultery. Why are you not chiding on those scriptures when it comes down to the wrong that was obviously committed. Keep reading all scriptures, don't pick and choose what you feel is beneficial, "you reap what you sow".
Annette
13 May 2008, 12:03
I have been the other woman as well. I am not proud of it. I truely believe I started not caring about the other woman because I once was the other woman. I know two wrongs don't make a right but inside I felt better.
Darlene
14 May 2008, 08:14
Annette,

Did you mean that you started not caring about the wife? Let's face it. We call can fall short and make a mistake. But as my Bishop once told me, don't wallow in it. Pick yourself up and straighten out. So back to basics, we first should try hard to not get "caught up" in a situation that we should realize is not for the good to not after the fact express any regrets. From the writings it appears as though we are all over the adolescent stage of our lives i.e., not just venturing into adulthood for the first time to maybe be blinded. So we are only fooling ourselves when we allow ourselves to be fooled, or better said, be made a fool of.
Yayoupeep
14 May 2008, 14:48
Ladies, Ladies, I have taken this dicussion so seriously that I rush home to my comfort to read what was posted for the day but today I had to laugh. I laughed when I read "Woman at the Well's" latest comment. I can not comprehend your position on this whole thing even after you were the other woman. Thanks Darlene (you are the leader for this group, girl you go)your comment came through. Woman at the Well another way of getting forgiveness is forgiving ourselves. We are humans and sometimes 70 x 70 for another is like nothing I am not putting up with no one who is having an affair with a married woman or man. I dropped a friend for that because I know it hurts. It hurts like hell. Your spirituality came through however but you are missing somethings that are very important as Darlene mentioned.

Annette sometimes our experiences make us wish that they only happen to those we hate, so I can't understand how you went out and did just what was done to you ( I hope I made this point clear)
sophia
15 May 2008, 09:47
hi
Darlene
15 May 2008, 10:32
Hi Sophia,

Welcome. Don't be shy girl let it out. Unless you just took this as an intteresting read we'd love to hear your story, or even your view of this type of messy living. Thanks Yayou. I wasn't trying to be the leader but I often seem to carry that role well (LEO - Holla!!!) lol - But like I said earlier, the more I read the more my spirits get turned from ignorance. What is it going to take for these women to wake the hell up. It's not a joke and a very dangerous game. Do you not value your life more than a moment's pleasure. And sometimes it's not even all that you may have expected but for a free movie and a dinner ticket you'd succumb to accepting the role as a mistress. Please. I just got off the phone with a dear friend/family member and even expressed to her how I've made up in my mind be it my husband or a straggler that tries to get in my space - I'm worth more than a moment. We have to have self-worth first to shine through that anyone coming our way will recognize that game knows game and it won't be played with us. I was looking at Katt Williams (the comedian - pimp) on my daughters ipod this a.m. and one thing he said is true, "ladies, don't blame us men for your low self-esteem" - the key word is self and what we allow to happen in our lives starts with just that "selve". As far as you Annette, I have to say that I made a promise to myself (any I pray to stand strong to this), I would not allow myself to lay with another woman's man KNOWING he was not free and single. The sad thing is that sometimes it takes something actually happening to you for you to know what the hurt feels like to understand and not want to repeat those actions. Don't get mad and do it to someone else without a care or concern. If it hurt so bad then go after the ones that placed the hurt in your heart like I did. It took some time but it finally got shut down. Now the question is, how much do I feel it was worth the energy. Because after the fight, be it physical or mental, which mine was a mental fight, you sometimes look back and say I should have let her have this piece of shyt headache since she felt she had something so good. Oh and fyi Yayou, you're not alone in anticipation of what the next comments are going to be - lol.
annette
15 May 2008, 12:13
I have to say I am hearing what you ladies are saying loud and clear. I am an independent 34 year old woman who is just out to make herself happy. I haven't been with the married man, but my question is why is it that noone is focusing the blaim on the man... He is usually the one that is the aggressor. And in my case he was the one making the moves and flirting like he doesn't have a wife. I don't ask about his home life because that doesn't concern me. I know for sure I won't continue with the advances but I really feel all the hostility should be toward the men !!
Darlene
15 May 2008, 13:06
FYI Annette,

I can't speak for anyone else but in my case it wasn't just towards the mistress. But overall yes she did get the blunt of it because as we know, men for the most part are dogs and they'll yield to any wild bitch (female dog) that will easily spread it for them. So to say that your concern is not with his home life is just you being a selfish winch (trying to control the language). And not taking up for the "man" but trust me, they're not the ones who is always doing the pursuing. I know for a fact that the female that mine ended up with is one amongst a few known whores and chasers of ANY man. So again it's as though you're trying to justify your infidelity and unstable way of being an honorable woman. If you give yourself the time to check self, I'm sure you'll come up with a more meaningful way of making yourself happy because for what you have done was not self-happiness. You sought out somebody to make you whole. And to fall into that trap is not being independent. Check with a thesaurus and see the meaning of independence - it certainly isn't one whom seeks someone for fulfillment to enjoy - or as you put it - make yourself happy. Every dog (biatche!!) has her day. It's one thing to acknowledge that you've made bad decisions and choices that have caused someone to hurt but it's another thing to attempt to justify it and having basically "I don't give a shyt" attitude knowing the effects that it placed in ones life. I sure hope you don't have children to have to become victims of the karma that will surely come back and bite you in the ass!
Yayoupeep
15 May 2008, 17:47
Darlene, I am Leo too (July 26). Annette you are displaying a level of selfishness in your comment - YOU NEED TO CHECK HIS BACKGROUND. Check them out thoroughly they lie a lot and even in the lie some women know the truth and they still fall for them and even more than if they did not know. Some women just love married men and they will always get licks when I have to deal with them I have no sympathy. Won't you check his sexual behaviour before you start sleeping with him even with a condom?
Tamela
15 May 2008, 19:14
Hey!!

Ya'll are funny. Yes, this is true Ms. Annette. Maybe we should blame the men, but as Ms. Darlene says, there are women out there that know and the proceed to do the things they do anyway. Some of these women look for married men to get them where they want them and don't care who they hurt in the process. They don't care what the man says, they usually end up taking the man's kindness for a weakness. Oh, and believe me I get with my husband and the witches that interfere, because most of them are in the church!!!

And yes Ms. Darlene you are the leader of the pack!!

Holla
Darlene
16 May 2008, 08:03
Tamela you funny girl - lol - Let me find out we go to the same church. But seriously, like Yayou says some of you woman just look for an excuse to justify your wrong knowing straight up what you're getting into. The prime answer is when you can't NEVER call him at home; you can't NEVER go to his home (or a B better not be found in mine even if they sneak you up in there thinking "she won't be home no time soon); he miraculously only have a cell phone number; can you ever meet his kids if he has some; and the list goes on. So I'm not even really feeling anyone claiming outright "I didn't know". Especially when they seem to have been involved for a good period of time. Tamela, Hollering back atcha Leo woman. Don't know about you but this lion can be your best friend or your worst enemy. Pick your battle with me because my life has been preyed upon for too long already. You know how we get down - lol.
Big B
16 May 2008, 11:31
Hello Ladies, I have been reading everyone's comments for a few days now and I didnt know if I was going to post anything but decided that I would after hearing these latest comments. Darlene and Yayou I am a leo woman as well and yes we do tend to be leaders but I also feel in reading these comments that you are blaming the women more than you are blaming your men. I have more in common with you then just being a leo, I too have been married for 18 years and my husband has cheated on me as well. So I am not just talking, I do share the same experience with many of you. I guess when I am reading these messages it sounds like most of the women are just accepting the fact that their husband cheated and are wishing the woman would just leave the husband alone. Well it's not that simple. Even if that women chose to leave the husband alone, I am sure there would be many other woman who would take her place.
Yayoupeep
16 May 2008, 16:03
Welcome Big B, I hear you but my gut feelings is that the other woman was the one to be dealt with following the letter - she is the center of this virus/bacteria (you choose a name) that is affecting our marriages and causing the muscles to pain and weaken. The man is bad (if you chose virus then he is the AIDS itself) and we know but please note that because I am not banging him here it means that I am not not angry at him. I have almost lost my sexlife (am 33), we have no social life, every discussion is a quarrel and the list goes on. So we can discuss him but I think the way things started it is continuing in the same direction of hitting the other woman. Please help me Darlene lol.
Tamela
19 May 2008, 11:47
Good Afternoon Ladies,

The thing is that we are blaming the men, but its also those women out there that are so lonely that they settle for what they are getting as if that is okay. I believe that if women would stop settling for the married men, they (the men) would give up and try to work on what they have at home. But "other women" continue to feed into the egos of these married men. I spoke to one this weekend who thinks that is okay to call my husband "baby" and they exchange I miss you's like that is okay. No it's not. Yes, I called her!!! And I spoke to him as well. I just can't do it anymore. If they both think this okay behavior for a married man to continue to do, then, I am sorry, but I won't continue to live a life like this. Yes, filing for divorce because this not okay behavior for me. My young daughter (3 months) may think this is okay as she get older. And I don't want this example to be a part of her life. If he would draw the line then maybe these women wouldn't think that it was okay to carry on conversations with my husband like this. But since he can't then maybe a women with common sense and would stop and think that "hey this man is married and its' not okay for me to do this with him." But these "other women" are doing that. They are lonely and seeking something from someone who should at all time be unavailable to them until they see divorce papers or know that the person isn't married. Well from me, in the next 60 days, HELL all them witches can have his trifling a$$!!

Holla

Have a good week ladies!!!!
Yayoupeep
19 May 2008, 15:57
I hear you Tamela. I am still working on the strength to get rid of my pain. I can identify with you with the name calling and feeling that it is ok. There is one who calls my husband "babes" all the time, "babes" is the name of a pig but he don't know that. When the tables turn he would be asking to be called another name. Tomorrow is my anniversary, I hope that at least I can pour my heart out about what make me sad and get some sort of comfort that things would be different. If it does not happen it will be business as usual. Be blessed all.
Darlene
20 May 2008, 09:11
Hello Ladies (and gents if any),

Welcome Big B. Don't take this wrong but I first thought you were gonna be a male speaking from your tag - lol. But let me set the record straight. And as always I can only speak for ME. I in no way only blame the women. Not at all. But if you go back to the beginning this has basically been a forum where we WOMEN are attempting to reach out to the weak at heart and unconcerned other females. I can't even tolerate to identify them as women who don't feel to have respect for another. But then again you can't expect them to respect someone else when they lack self-respect. So if it makes anyone feel better, I had my husband locked up on his birthday when he dared shoved me around to get at his phone so he would be able to contact his bitchstress. Mind you, the phone I BOUGHT HIM. That was just a start to show him that I was no joke and not to take my heart and play with it like I'm someone to just shyt on. Trust me, the list goes on but for now he's not important or the focal point. I made a comment just last nite to my daughter about things that have come out of his mouth etc. EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY and from this day I choose to let the Lord fight my battle. Trust me it will be a losing battle for the enemy with God on my side. I'm sure I can speak for most of us here, we DO REALIZE that it's our husband, men or whatever you want to classify them as that is the cause for the start of infidelity in our relationships but it still goes back to women respecting each other. What's that old saying, "I can talk about my mother but you'd better not". Same scenario. Inasmuch as we may be idiotic for sticking with them, they have still become part of our lives, in most cases I'm sure blood of my blood (children) so the likelihood is that we may attempt to keep things wholesome where that woman that allowed herself to be a shadow of a marriage is cause and effect to be screamed upon. Don't try and make the wives feel like we're out of place or misdirecting blame - if you allowed yourself to become a part of the drama then you should blame yourself for any repercussions that come your way - plain and simple - again, was they lay that great, because in the end you're home alone.
Darlene
20 May 2008, 12:17
Sorry for the interruption but I tend to go back and re-read comments and this goes out to Big B. My situation was not that I was just accepting the cheating and wishing for the woman to leave him because I told the both of them that they were free to have each other as long as it was done with respect for me - DIVORCE!!! I may have tolerated a lot but one thing I didn't and won't is for any man to blatantly walk around in my face outright displaying another woman. I will not sit here and act as though my life is a clean slate i.e., I have done my share of stepping out as well throughout our dramatized marriage. But at NO time was my husband ever able to say he knew what was going on in my life. His has ALWAYS been an assumption. And for the record I need to rephrase this statement. I DID NOT CHEAT. I allowed myself to be entertained by another when my husband chose to step out on me claiming "we were not together", yet still tried my best to indulge with respect for any and all concerned so as not to have any drama. But if at any time things would have come to a head I would have been able to stand strong in my husband's face without any conviction with the other man and say my husband denied being with me whereas I tried to keep my marriage in tact. I never had any male friends that my husband was not in the knowledge of or whom I could not bring to the forefront. There was no mystery about mine. That goes out to all the females with the nicknames for these married men i.e., babes, baby etc. who claim they are just friends. Question: are you friends with the wives? Case closed. Yet and still they can go around covorting with females (friends) and it's supposed to be ok but will lose their minds truth be told if the wife comes home talking about her friend Bob that they have yet to meet. Please.
Millie
20 May 2008, 15:42
Hello Ladies,

I am not the wife or the other woman! I am a 28yr. old woman who is afraid of marriage. I sat here for an hour and read a lot of the comments(some three times)appauled by some of the responses. All I have to say is "the other women are nasty ass bitches whom need to get their own!!!!! Nobody these days understands the true meaning of marriage! It hurts to know that some individuals would have the nerve to intentionally mess up a MARRIAGE!! U bitches are nasty and have no respect for yourself, your mother and the rest of the female race. Women need to stick together instead of hating on one another!!!!!!!!!

To the wives keep your heads up and I will continue to pray for you all!!! Fuck the other woman, they aint women they WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darlene
21 May 2008, 07:00
Millie you are a woman after my own heart. Word of advice, stay single for a minute. Live and enjoy your life and make sure you get all of the fun and playing out of your life before you allow yourself to be commited to anyone. Because as you can somewhat see from these comments, the scales are pretty much one-sided. The woman (in most cases) give their relationship their all while the men seem to still be studying their ABCs. I have 2 daughters, one who is married and have been thru the whirlwind with her husband and my other daughter lost her husband at 25 but was also taken thru the mill. So live until you know or at least can somewhat feel truth in sharing your life - let's see, maybe by the time you need to be in a rocking chair - lol.
Tamela
21 May 2008, 09:51
Right on Ms. Darlene.

Millie take your time. I am not too much older than you and believe me. Take your time. Pray that God leads you to what he has for you. When you let Him lead you, you won't have to worry about the things we do. Not to say you won't have problems in your marriage. But when you hear from God you know that you are doing the right thing. If He says run!!! You better RUN!!!!!!!! But we all know that He will never leave or foresake us.

Enjoy your life. I miss mine, being able to come and go. Jet out of town at the drop of a dime. But when I got married I was ready to put all that behind me and start a family. I thought my husband was too. But he still thinks as an individual. Once I married him,I met the real him!!!! But again, I didn't seek God like I should have.

Darlene
23 May 2008, 10:55
On a different note, I would like to wish everyone a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend.
Tamela
23 May 2008, 13:38
Same to you Ms. Darlene.

And to everyone else the same. ENJOY!!!!!
Big B
23 May 2008, 14:28
Hello again ladies,

It has been a busy week. I have to thank you all for your comments and I am glad to see that you are blaming the man as well as the woman. I guess I felt like in my situation the other woman actually called me to tell me about the affair. Okay of course she only did this after my husband tried to break it off with her and she got upset but either way, I thanked her. I thanked her for being woman enough to tell me because he certainly wasnt going to be man enough to tell me. I felt like she didnt really owe me an explanation but he did. I still look back on it and think had she not told me, would I have ever known? Probably not. I didnt have a long drawn out conversation that she would have probably wanted. I think she was trying to get some answers from me. I held my head up high and thanked her for the information and politely hung up the phone. I think she thought I was going to cry and scream and tell her that she could have him or whatever. That is not what happened. I was not going to give her that satisfaction. I think she was confused because I remained calm the whole time.

P.S. Darlene, I am all woman believe that! lol...
Angela C
23 May 2008, 21:25
Wow, I have been reading this I am real confused. It sounded to me like the other woman said she found forgiveness, but the wives still hated her and the husbands hated her because she wasn't what you all are calling a "whore" anymore. She also said that the husband is the one walking out on you and yet I still hear a lot of bitterness and hate towards the other woman. I am divorced. My husband was always sorry. Time after time he was always sorry. I just got tired of being lied to so I left. I just can't understand for the life of me why anyone would stay with a liar. The other woman seems to be doing a lot better than you. Looks like she moved on and is happy. But I don't hear any thing positive being said about your sisters, and here is just a lot of angry meaness and you all seem bitter. It will eat you up and kill you. Show some love to your enemies.
Yayoupeep
24 May 2008, 16:56
I hope everyone is enjoying the weekend so far. I am even with just going to church and back. I am looking forward for tomorrow where I just relax myself and then prepare for work on Monday.

Big B, the other woman called me before I was married and after I got married and I am sure after the divorce she may need to call me - for some advice on how to cope because the stress that they both have been putting on me only ME could take that (no one else would have put up with it not even her).

The silent treatment has started in our home and I am going to stick it out. The penalty for breaking up my marriage would be worst for the other woman than for my husband.

Be bless you all.
Yayoupeep
25 May 2008, 08:56
Angela, sometimes we need to let go to be able to fully forgive. In my case that is so.
Angela
26 May 2008, 16:16
Letting go. It is the most terrifying, nerve wrecking, breath taking, relieving, exasperating, peaceful feeling I ever experienced. It is also the most rewarding. It doesn't promise that you won't feel hurt, but it is the beginning of healing. For all you "God fearing women" remember fear is the opposite of faith. Faith is the courage to face our fears knowing that God is there ordering my steps. Being able to call a man my husband is comforting but it can also be a lie I choose tell myself. I am very afraid of being alone, but I am at peace with not being lied to and broken hearted. I have faith that God can heal my broken heart. I am so over him. I don't blame anyone but him because he is responsible for the lies and the dirt. And as my Pastor once said, we need a little dirt to grow. It's fertilizer. His dirt sho nuff did me some good. I am better, I am wiser, I am stronger....
Darlene
27 May 2008, 14:23
Alright now Marvin Sapp - lol. See I am about that too believe that. Angela let me say this. Even though we seem to share some of the same issues, each one of us have our own demon to fight off. I can't stress it enough that in my case the woman was not to blame solely. But I am not for one minute going to allow you or anyone else make me feel that it's wrong to place blame on her. You speak about showing love to mine enemy - well the saying also goes that your enemy can't harm you; those that are closest to you which happened to have been my husband and then her allowing herself to come into his space brought her scent home to me. I will say that for me this was now going on back from 2003/2004 and maybe a hit and miss in 2005 after he supposedly was done with his liaison. So I have grown tremendously - go back to my first text to see where I said my mind had been. I passed by her in church recently and literally held her waist as I went by saying "excuse me". That was growth. My mindset before had been stick a knife in her back. Everybody does not have the same emotional strength as others so you have to bare that in mind. You may have been able to succumb your situation but who's to say how much you endured compared to the next person. I am not a phoney person; never have been, never will be. I pray to God and have since been given the strength to overcome what I dealt with but this forum is just expressing and sharing with those who have found themselves in similar situations and I'm not going to apologize for what I truly feel about individuals who have no problem hurting people. I always have this feeling that I even used to have a verbal battle with my husband when he would choose to quote to me scriptures in the Bible about a wife's place, etc. READ AND QUOTE ALL THINGS if you're gonna go there because it goes back with part of the Ten Commandments i.e., fornication, adultery, and the list goes on. So sorry sista, they are not to be excused but if anything should pray for forgiveness for their sins. I will continue to pray for my spiritual growth and when I KNOW that I have a better emotional way of feeling, then I can find strength to forgive those whom have caused me hurt. But guess what, that's between me and my God. I hear you Big B loud and STRONG - lol. Oh and FYI, yes my mindset is in the stage of letting go even though he's doing things that would keep us together so at this point I have allowed myself to let all the spiritual scriptures and sayings apply in my life, LET GO AND LET GOD!!! and LET THE LORD FIGHT MY BATTLE!! Then whichever way my life turns out I can say good and faithful servant to the Lord's will. Believe me, I AM NOT a bad person, just have allowed myself to be treated badly.
Tamela
28 May 2008, 12:39
And again Ms. Darlene you have capture alot of what I am feeling at this very moment.

I can't do it! I don't believe I am a bad person either, but I hav allowed myself to be treated that way and for the sake of my sanity and the well-being of my child.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Santasha Pena
30 May 2008, 07:59
I haven't scene a woman yet who has been marryied or single and has been envolved w/another man whether marryied/single, who has dealing with him and hasn't caught feeling yet.

Why play Games with your heart?
All your saying is "THIS MAN IS A DRUG",AND I CAN'T GET OFF HIM", are you that weak mined, so lonely, willing to loose your respect and willing to risk how others see you? Even if you hid it for a long time from the other "Envolved Party", feeling change for the other spouce due to you placing them with that other person and TRUCT me you might not even know that's it's happening until it does Then your heart is envolved.
Who choose's to HURT their own heart, and if you do WHAT TYPE OF WOMAN DOES THAT MAKE YOU?

Care for yourself the same way you care for that other "Man", and out back what you took out of a "Working " relationship and that's TRUST!
Women, MEN DO NOT THINK THE SAME WAY WE DO, and they HURT DIFFERENTLY FROM US, they don't sit around and cry and hurt like us..

Put " YOU" FIRST AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR HEART...
Let's do our math", You met a man, your envolved or not but he is ,you just end up dealing sexually , then your finding times to fit each toher sexually in the picture, then you start doing more things together, when he's around you there is no other who loves you more ,but when he go's home ...you no longer exsist. Even if he seen you out he would not speak to you but now more sneaking around no HAPPY HOILDAYS "Like MARY J", SAID...
We all know that song DON'T WE? Then feelings get envolved and here it goes, problems....

Even if you were "Soul Mates", it will never work because to his family and friends "You will always be that women that broke his family and you WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED by his family and his children (wow) that's another subject ... especially if his wife is the one YOU PISSED off by cheating w/him so , WHERE WILL THE HAPPYLY EVER AFTER come to play in at? DO THE MATH LADIES...
Nothing is ever hidden for long and Sorry is suckers..

If you meet a man and he tells you HE'S NOT MARRYIED you have ever right to choose how you want to deal with him but , if you know he's marryied and you still decide to be envolved , GET READY AND BE PREPARED for what is to come and that's nothing but a Life full of Secrets and THEN YOU DESERVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU GET ....HURT!
Hurt by my husband
30 May 2008, 13:15
I'm the Wife in this case......My Ex-Husband once told me that I was not the reason that he cheats and that my pussy is good and he's happy with me....it's just that sometimes he wants something NEW!! So the next time a brother rolls up and tell you that he is not happy with his marriage, make sure you remember theses words..........."YOU ARE JUST SOMETHING NEW". Your ass will soon become "OLD" and he'll move on to the next women. And to top it off, he is now HIV positive...2 yrs after I divorced him. Married women...stop allowing yourself to stay in a marriage with a cheating husband. Married people get AIDS too.....Single women, please stop sleeping with married men, they will kill your self esteem and may also cause more harm than you know.
ShaShu
31 May 2008, 14:14
my input
Yayoupeep
31 May 2008, 16:27
Thank you Hurt by my husband for the kind reminder.

ShaShu, we still need to get your input.

I look forward to reading all the new comments. Darlene am sure you will be next to comment-lol. How you doing?
Was The Wife, Now The Other Woman
02 Jun 2008, 14:39
I was married and my husband left me for the other woman. I could'nt believe it or accept it. For a while I sat there in hopes he would come back home, but he never did. I meet a friend come to find out he was married. At first I really did'nt see he in no other way but someone too talk to because I was so tired of going to my friends with the same old song and also I figured I could get things from a man point of view, until oneday I saw him differently. So then I looked at it like this," He's married and I am not just yet ready for a real relationship so I will just kick with him from time to time" Well, time to time went to 2 to 5 days a week, whenever we was off and any other free time he could get away. More and more I was falling deeper and deeper for him until that day came when I decided I wanted him for myself. Now see as long as I was accepting being the Sideline Whore it was all good, but when he saw that I wanr more attitude, he slowly started backing away. I always would sit and question How in the hell I got myself to where I am now. I mean, iI was once a wife and the same thing I had done to me I am now doing it to someone else. But I looked at it in the begining that a Bitch did'nt care about me so why should I give a Fuck about them. Well with all that said I am back to where I started when my Husband left me, Alone,Hurt,Depressed and Confused. I wish I could say that they never leave there wife some of them do, mine did, The other one did'nt
Yayoupeep
02 Jun 2008, 16:27
Was the Wife, Now the other Woman I am sorry to hear about you drama. You seem rather hurt.
Darlene
03 Jun 2008, 10:34
Hey Yay,

I sat here reading for a minute and was indecisive as to whether I wanted to make any more comments. For one, I didn't want to find myself coming off or insulting anyone because it truly is not my intentions. But Santasha, girl you gave me the only headache reading your script - lol - I don't know if you were just speed typing or if it truly is just grammatical error or upset but I feel your words and I appreciate them - girl after my own heart. I guess I'm at the point that what else can I say. I put it all out there. I saw my husband's ex (I'm assuming) this weekend and in one hand was holding my head high because she saw me stepping out of his car without him - so again - what does that say about where he is - but then I found myself feeling like "what's so good about that" - he still played me - and even though it's been going on 3 years and I try to believe I've grown from it - I found my heart still having skipped beats - one wanting to go up to her and knock the shyt out of her and the other saying "you've grown past the drama". I guess the best help is accepting the true feelings inside and seeking salvation to get beyond it - so I praised God and asked for continued growth in my life with all aspects i.e., foul mouth (lol), grudges (I don't say hatred because I strive really hard not to go that deep) and peace in my life. But it's all good and with the Lord's help it WILL get better. As for you Was, you answered your own statement - karma is a m-fer so there's no need to bash you. But I just have to say that to have the attitude that a B did it to you so Fk them - the problem with that is your not Fkg the one that did it to you - so the same way it came at you and you know the pain first hand how did you allow yourself to remotely feel that something good was going to come in you placing that hurt on another innocent wife who've done NOTHING to you. Not instigating drama but if you want to hurt someone then go after the one that brought it to you like I did. So many express that we shouldn't blame the other woman but in your case you did the extreme - you blamed a totally innocent woman and came between her marriage. And in the end you brought the full circle back to yourself - the hurt, lonliness and used. Grow from this and pray and strive to move past it for a better life. We are responsible for our happiness so work towards making that happen if you have to find yourself being alone for a minute. My Bishop onced preached a sermon years ago and stated that "there are a lot of good woman out there 'stuck' with someone bad and allowing that person to keep the good ones away from us. WE (I include myself first and foremost) have to love ourselves MORE to flourish and shine and KNOW we are worthy of true love. I don't know any of you personally but I love you all as woman reaching out to each other for some form of comforting words to overcome the torch of negative energy that we've allowed ourselves to be consumed by. WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT AND WORTHY!!!! KNOW IT AND LIVE IT!!!
Yayoupeep
04 Jun 2008, 09:42
Lol. Thanks Darlene, you always come through for me but I am serious I feel Was' pains - the one she received (unfortunately) and the one she gave. For the one she gave I get the feeling that she is hurt about it and don't even know it. We can't do stuff like that. I am NOT going into anyone's marriage because someone did that to me because girlfriends as we all know - IT HURTS LIKE HELL!

Love you all I hope God is leading each of us when we make our comments so that another can be uplifted, advised and get smarter - I am.
Angela
05 Jun 2008, 21:16
Funny thing about being angry is when the other person isn't even wasting sleep and you are still mad. They moved on your still mad. If they did you wrong it still seems silly to be mad at someone who "ain't even studying you", as my nana would say. I seen plenty of angry woman lose it and wind up in jail or dead themselves. As you say you could just snap, but just because you snapping don't mean the other person you snapping on doesn't have something to live for and would rather see you dead than them. How many on this forum have lost a love one to some drama like this. Yea, you are mad, pissed off and angry, but you better let it go or your just another statistic. We are saying let it go because somebody out there loves you and will soon get tired of visiting you at the jail cell. These violent thoughts to me ain't funny and on an open forum such as this you don't know who may get pushed to the edge. If you can't love your enemy than speak an encouraging word to your sister. A lot of what is being said is just black on black crime and hate. Let him go and let it go. He ain't worth heart disease and cancer. All this hate will make you sick.
Women at the well
09 Jun 2008, 09:17
I know some of you are really into hating me, but I just wanted to share this with those who are open to forgiving all like Christ did. I still extend to you an olive leaf even if you choose to spit on me...

Prescribed by the Great Physician
*****************************
The next time you feel like GOD can't use you, just remember...

Noah was a drunk
Abraham was too old
Isaac was a daydreamer
Jacob was a liar
Leah was ugly
Joseph was abused
Moses had a stuttering problem
Gideon was afraid
Samson had long hair and was a womanizer
Rahab was a prostitute
Jeremiah and Timothy were too young
David had an affair and was a murderer
Elijah was suicidal
Isaiah preached naked
Jonah ran from God
Naomi was a widow
Job went bankrupt
Peter denied Christ
The Disciples fell asleep while praying
Martha worried about everything
The Samaritan woman was divorced, more than once
Zaccheus was too small
Paul was too religious
Timothy had an ulcer..AND
Lazarus was dead!


And Don’t forget—

Jesus Helped ‘em all!!!!

Now! No more excuses!
God can use you to your full potential.
Besides you aren't the message, you are just the messenger.

And one more thing...
Share this with a friend or two...
In the Circle of God's love, God's waiting to use your full potential.

1. God wants spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.

2. Dear God, I have a problem, it 's Me.

3. There is no key to happiness. The door is always
open.

4. Silence is often misinterpreted but never
misquoted.

7. Do the math .. count your blessings.

8. Faith is the ability to not panic.

9. If you worry, you didn't pray . If you pray, don't worry.

10. As a child of God, prayer is kind of like calling home everyday.

11. Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be bent out of shape.

12. The most important things in your house are the people.

13 When we get tangled up in our problems, be still.
God wants us to be still so He can untangle the knot.

14. A grudge is a heavy thing to carry.

15 He who dies with the most toys is still dead.


Have a great day!!! The SON is shining and he can certainly use you!
Darlene
09 Jun 2008, 11:15
Angela,

I think you are reading into this forum in the wrong way. From what I get of this, including my comments, nobody is urging anyone to "hate" the next person. We are basically expressing issues that we, for the most part, have experienced ourselves. And whether you have been a victim of circumstances or just someone passing thru, you CANNOT put yourself or your feelings inside someone else's heart to know what they've been through. Now one thing that you are on point with is that IT'S NOT WORTH IT and someone can end up dead or in jail. I speak specifically to my life and I'm grateful that I turned to God and He guided my footsteps from that frame of mind. But it's one of those twisted fates, you cannot talk it if you haven't lived it and everyone's situation is different. I applaud any and every woman who can get past the drama. I wish it was easier for me to just walk away and not care or feel. Unfortunately that wasn't the case. Again, I've since grown spiritually and emotionally to not care AS MUCH!!! I'm not going to lie to you or anyone else and act as though if the same situation crossed my life that it wouldn't bother me. But I pray that I don't react in the same way. I just had a small situation happen yesterday and I caught myself and withdrew from having an attitude, and yet at the same time checking my husband and making him realize it's not going to be the same game again. Before it was all said and done he was apologizing to me for me even feeling any way. That's not to say things wasn't really what I believed them to be but that's an adjustment with attempting to show respect or "cover up" if it was anything going on. In spite of what you feel I personally feel this forum has uplifted each of us up to some degree. It definitely is a good source of letting go the built in anger and frustration that we have allowed ourselves to deal with and at least we're letting go by banging on some keys rather than on someone's head. As far as woman at the well, please don't come to us with that reverse psychology and scripture. Keep in mind that what we have expressed to you was simply based on your uncaring attitude towards another sister and her space. But you need to forgive yourself first and personally speaking, if you are true to yourself and to your heart and KNOW that you have been forgiven by GOD, then nobody else should matter. Stay focused and blessed!
Tamela
10 Jun 2008, 10:08
Good Afternoon Ladies,

It's been a while. And I was reading your comments and again Ms. Darlene you are on it as usual. I just wanted to say that it's true. It's not worth the worry. We have to trust God to do what He said He is going to do.

I had a come to Jesus moment a couple of weeks ago. I prayed and I cried, prayed and cried. I admitted to my feelings about my marriage and the things that have taken place. Whether they are still going on, I don't know. I don't care anymore. Once I finished praying I felt so much relief!!! It was an awesome feeling. I take one day at a time and wait for God to do what he has to do with this marriage. My husband now is trying to do everything possible to make it work. I guess he sees the change in me. I no longer sit around and wait for him to do what he knows and I know he needs to do. Yes, I still have my moments where I just want to "Bash Mister head in." But that is not the Godly thing to do. So I wait! It will all work out in the end.

You ladies continue to have a blessed week!
ShaShu
10 Jun 2008, 17:46
yayoupeep, I know that I have not said much,,I keep looking for the opportunity to jump in b/c I have much to say and to ask from you ladies. I am watching however. sorry about the suspense, it's not on purpose. May God continue to bless you and keep you.
Women at the well...
11 Jun 2008, 13:44
I was in both pair of shoes, cheated on and cheated. I started out by saying I was FORGIVEN AND ACCEPTED FORGIVENESS. No one wants to acknowledge that.

A man or woman who cheats is just that a cheater. I got up and moved on.

My warning remains: that finger you pointing is causing the three pointing back at you to be very bitter and angry.

Frankly it's just sand paper....
The other woman did you a favor, she showed you that you posses a faker. He slept around on you because that is the type of man he is.

Can't blame another woman for that.
Yayoupeep
11 Jun 2008, 17:05
Sha Shu it is ok. You take your time but you need to ask your questions before they change the subject.

Women at the Well, what can i say to you but to ask which of the cheating was the hardest. I am an angry woman every day I wake up and find my husband next to me because it is another day of having to go to my office and not having the respect I should because of his behaviour, coming to my office and raising his voice, ppl seeing seeing him on the weekends doing his thing, and there can be a list.

I know that one can be forgiven but as I said before it seems that I can only forgive my husband after I have gotten rid of him from my life. He knows that quite well because I told him so. So while I am hard on her for what she knew and still accepted his advances I am hard on him too.

They both will rot in hell!!!
Darlene
12 Jun 2008, 14:24
Yayou you're absolutely right. Funny how woman at the well seems to need to justify her wrong - let's go back to scriptures - i don't recall in the Bible it saying that adultery is only blamed on the spouse - if you allow yourself in that world you are an adulteror, fornicator and sin-filled. So maybe you need someone to make you feel whole and agree with you. Yes you do need forgiveness and prayer - and because I am who I am let's just keep it real - I'M BEING TOTALLY SARCASTIC - so what you're trying to convince us is that because our husbands stepped out on us, whether it was is moved or accepting the moves made on him, the woman is blameless. Plu-leeez!!!! And not for nothing - are you only feeling this way because you yourself committed the act? I'm sure before you ventured out you were on the same path that we were - you indirectly admitted that when you expressed why you did it - because you didn't care and you felt that the "other woman" didn't care about you - so again, we are basically expressing feelings that have been suppressed for different reasons and it helps to have peeps to share who have been through the same or similar life!! and for the record - it has not gone unnoticed as you seem to feel that you forgave or was forgiven - but then again, was your forgiveness real - obviously not that you went out for a personal vendetta of revenge - so you did you until you tired yourself of it and then got on this holy role - i hear ya!! yeah right!!!
Big B
12 Jun 2008, 14:37
Okay okay I can't just sit back and listen to you Darlene jump all over woman at the well and then Yayoupeep co-signing for Darlene. I think Woman at the well brought up some valid points in the beginning but all you heard was that she had an affair with a married man and didnt care about his wife. After that no matter what she said, you didnt want to hear it. I think she has already admitted she made a mistake and if you both are woman of God like you say you are, I don't understand why you don't provide her with counseling that it seems you provide the other woman. I think Woman at the well was asking for friendship but instead she got two bitter woman who could have cared less about her feelings.
Darlene
13 Jun 2008, 09:51
Big B,

You are obviously reading into it what you want as well. First off one thing I don't do is allow someone to validate my spirituality - so for you to tell me and yayou about being women of God check yourself - FIRST AND FOREMOST I AM HUMAN WITH FEELINGS - and if my life was so correct and on point I would not seek God's salvation or guidance - neither am I here to judge someone else but what I have been doing is commenting on others' comments - I've not given myself any props as being a "counselor" - and if anyone else chooses to put me on that pedestal (yayou) for me personally it's all been in fun because as was stated, none of us knows one another. Woman at the well was contradicting her "need" for friendship - bottom line is yes, we may come off as being bitter woman - I've NEVER denied what my feelings were surrounding MY circumstances - don't get it twisted because I've been nothing more than raw and real about mine - and I will stand HARD AND STRONG on what I feel about any "OTHER WOMAN'S" stand - so don't come on here claiming to seek understanding in one breathe and then talk out your ass about not caring who you were hurting because you felt you were wronged. So if you feel so sensitive for her feelings then you pacify her and pat her on the back for having a twisted mind - I'M NOT THE ONE for that because the bottom line is when it's all said and done - REAL TALK - I don't give a FK about ANY OTHER WOMAN - take it however you want but do me one and keep it real yours as I've done nothing but kept it real about mine - FYI - I DON'T NEED ANY VALIDATION - don't turn this on us who have been unjustly hurt for standing up to what we've been through and then throw it at us like we have issues - Yayou - keep yours real as you've been girl - I'm good with or without you backing my words - I'm sure you're just speaking from your own mind and heart and not for any pride of such but unfortunately we obviously shared the same BULLSHIT in our lives!!!! If you can't take the truth - or better yet as it's been said - the truth hurts - then maybe this isn't the place you should be seeking solace when you're talking out bot